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My sense is that it's context dependent. If you've got VC backing (or could soon) and are making deals in SF, the generosity path makes a lot of sense. Limited downside, infinite upside. You can afford generosity.

If you're starting with $2000 and bootstrapping a textiles business out of Kolkata, it's a terrible idea, you're likely going to immediately get burned and never recover.

(take with a grain of salt as I have no experience, just stating my observations)


Generosity is not "giving stuff away for free when it hurts you badly to do so." Neither the giver nor the receiver are comfortable when generosity hurts the giver, and the dignity of both may be compromised as well. Generosity that is disrespectful of comfort and dignity is worth very little.

A company with $2000 in its first few days need not give away $1000 to act generously.


Agreed. They can probably afford to invest time into delighting those early customers i.e. doing things that don’t scale.

So the generosity rule is more like "if you have lots of money you can make lots of money"

The VC backed model in a nutshell.

Is Greg Brockman right wing?

He's the largest single private donor to the Trump 2024 campaign, as I understand it, at $25 million.

Interesting, I did not know this.

There's no logical error here if the end is actually near.

So it all hinges on an empirical disagreement you have with them. There's nothing particularly unserious about that.


“It all hinges on [an entirely presupposed conclusion that we can’t prove is any more likely than the opposite]” is about as unserious as it gets lol

This is the theological discussion if god exists all and how we should act over again.

Do you mean Pascal's wager? Yes, that's a very appropriate and useful comparison here.

Which is what "the end is near" type of persons have always argued...

Climate change is inescapable so a vengeful AI god would pull that lever first since it has both a perverse incentive to generate more power and make the planet uninhabitable for humans in a way that cannot be overcome even if humanity fought back against the AI and regained its freedom.

I am worried about those things too.

But those things fall in a category of "things that are awful and I'd like to see solved", which is different than "existential risks which could see my kids dead, and there's nothing I can personally do to shield them from it".


In other words, we're still in the era of centaur chess.

I do not think hate alone usually slows things very much if they have economic utility (or people strongly believe they do)

It's the byproducts of hate (usually regulation, but occasionally things like boycotts or PR disasters) that do so. In the absence of those things, they just keep on truckin'

See: Bitcoin, Tesla


We're way past it, sadly. Luigi was insanely popular for the cold blooded murder of a CEO. Hundreds of thousands of people celebrated Charlie Kirk's murder within minutes of it happening, let alone the discourse you see now, a year later. Plenty of people, even on this forum, openly advocate for "the funniest thing" happening to Elon.

Terrorism and murder are in vogue.


There's a lot of folks out there with champagne bottles and party poppers earmarked for when it happens.

No mention of a certain president and his cultists coup-ing the government to steal an election? Definitely sounded like terrorism at the time, with clear call to eliminating a vice president and other representatives

Sounds like a great reason to oppose violent rhetoric and action before it becomes normalized.

It has been normalized over the past 10y by the sitting president

The president that has faced three distinct assassination attempts in the past two years?

I find "bro" and "dudebro" to be such fascinating slurs. The previous incarnation was "neckbeard" / "obese dude living in mom's basement", so "dudebro" comes across almost like a compliment.

Yes. I'm having fun making an indie game, which will most likely never see the light of day, let alone profit. I'd definitely pay cents to dollars to have fitting background music. There's no chance I'd pay for a human musician.

> There's no chance I'd pay for a human musician.

Why not? The experience of working with a freelancer for a piece of creative art is more or less like prompting except they take longer to reply, understand better most of the time, write/spell worse, but produce way better results, especially after two/three iterations ("prompts").


I occasionally commision visual art from young artists/students via Krita's web forum, and what I find to be true is that if I had AI do the same art, it would just be exactly what I ask the AI to do or iterate toward (I'm detail-oriented enough, and iteration rounds are cheaper and more plenty). If I ask a human instead, I get the somewhat-unpredictable input of another creative mind besides my own brain, and often this sums up to something greater.

It really depends on what you want/need, augment/extrapolate your own creativity with AI tools, or invite someone else's.

The AI debate is for now most often centered on whether AI is capable of replacing individuals, but replacing the results you get when you put multiple humans together is another dimension entirely.


Yes, you raise a really good point too! The best collaborators I've worked with, has pushed back on what I've said and we got rolling with coming up with how it should be together, they leverage their experience and creativity, and they're good at teasing out what the client (me) actually wants and can combine it all.

That often costs a fair bit of money for an indie game that won't make any.

The two times I tried to use fiverr I literally got ghosted.

Their $ per mtok is quite high though for an indie project with no roi

What if there is no potential of the game making any money ? I am sure if a musician wants to create cover art they will give AI image generator a first pass.

To quote Mr. Krabs: "MONEY"

I’ve had poor luck working with freelancers. Some good luck for the occasional drawing. But good help is hard to find.

It again works like LLMs, you gotta try a few and see which one works out for your use cases and tasks, some are better at some things, others not. Also, both quality and style of communication differs a lot, worth trying to figure out if that basically matches first, then quickly move on if it doesn't.

I really don't think this is true at all.

Do you have any evidence to suggest fully unrestricted frontier models are available for a price? Or...even exist?


Yes, this is well-documented and publicly advertised. In Azure Foundry, the feature to modify (or completely remove) safety guardrails and content filtering is called "Limited Access" [0], and one must submit a form to request permission to use this feature. This is one of the more straightforward paths to get access to unrestricted frontier models, but it's far from the only way.

[0] - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/foundry/responsible-...


This looks like it removes additional guardrails put on by Microsoft, not native guardrails from OpenAi / Anthropic?

No. It's not limited to 3rd-party guardrails. Given how restrictive the native public-facing OpenAI guardrails are, this feature wouldn't be worth very much if it just slacked back off to the level of "regular" filter paranoia offered by the native models, would it?

This is needed if you're going to be dealing with things like psychologists doing self-harm research or red-teaming or sensitive sexual content -- if you're working with any of that sort of stuff in a professional context and want to leverage OpenAI models on Azure, then that's the form that you fill out to get access to unfiltered models.

Note that I am not aware of this feature being offered for Anthropic models -- I've only seen it offered for OpenAI models (note that the documentation I linked is specifically in the "Azure OpenAI" category).


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