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The usage of Neijuan as I understand it isn't about a complete lack of results, Chinese test scores are really good, but there's only 10% in the top 10% so competing even harder just means everyone is miserable competing for the same number of spots. Same for production if it's driving prices down, you did produce more, but the end result is a race to the bottom.

In China, one could look at hours of homework, work hours etc and conclude there's a reason the term was coined.

Standard oil is the textbook example of an abusive monopoly and was broken up for that reason.

They improved efficiency by cutting exclusive deals with railroads and transport companies due to their size which froze out every other company.


Cutting consumer prices by 70% is not "abusive".

SO's market share never exceeded 90% and it declined during the years of the anti-trust trial.

By cutting launch prices 90%, is SpaceX also an abusive monopoly?


Defending standard oil is an all-timer hot take. They only had 90% market share? In a commodity?

SpaceX isn't a monopoly because they have domestic and international competition. Before they showed up, ULA was a deliberately constructed monopoly because Boeing and Lockheed didn't want to compete.


SpaceX has a 90% market share.

Numbers aside, SpaceX has a technological lead. They're not strangling competitors in a commodity business with monopoly practices. I wouldn't call ASMR or TSMC monopolies either, anyone can compete with them in theory. Standard oil, by contrast, would cut their competitors off from rail transit and selectively dump to drive them out of business.

The other reason they're not a monopoly is that they may do 90% of total launches, but most are for themselves to support starlink (another "nonopoly" with no competitors). They have 60% of the US government launch contracts, a small percentage of ESA when Ariane is flaky, amd of course 0% of China and Russia.


Before going any further, I suggest taking a deeper dive into Standard Oil and its so-called "monopoly".

Start with "Titan" by Chernow.

SO was basically convicted of "making too much money", and the government failed to convict SO of a monopoly.


Living in one Asian country, phone scrolling still happens with adults but kids get a lot of homework and definitely do it. Honestly excessive amounts, quantity over quality but at least studying is happening.

If some third type of country didn't do doomscrolling but ignored their homework to play outside, that's better than scrolling but it's still not homework.


At what age does the homework kick in for kids growing up in Asia?

Speaking for China specifically, and this is all word of mouth since my kids are at a posh international school (apply hate appriopriately):

Elementary school is 8-5, longish day but not too bad on homework.

Middle school (grades 6-9) there's been a recent drive to have less homework so they stay till only 7:00 (!) doing it at school and only a little take home done between dinner and bed.

High school is your life revolves around homework, everyone realizes it's counterproductive to learning but they're all stuck in this trap grinding for the big exams that will shape the rest of your life. Key word neijuan.

Actual Chinese (and other asian countries) can chime in where I'm mistaken.


Yup, and additionally said stooge would probably be optimizing for their own position and package in a way Zuck doesn't have to. There's a whole new category of selfishness and shortsightedness out there.

If colloquial usage of "anarchy" has a different definition than, an, I'm sorry, irrelevant niche political movement, then you should assume a given speaker meant the colloquial form.

That's really informative but maybe a little overly capitalist-brained.

We shouldn't look to the black market as cost discovery for these vulnerabilities, most non-criminal researchers are not putting up an ask order and letting the black market compete with Google.


> We shouldn't look to the black market as cost discovery for these vulnerabilities

We absolutely should. One of the points of bug bounties is to discourage people from selling to the black market.


The black market also prices in a risk premium for ‘this is illegal and you could go to jail for selling me this’.

Google is only paying for the vulnerability; the exploit market is also paying for your mortal soul.


There's plenty of legal gray-hat companies that will buy a bug. Zerodium is a good example though it no longer exists. These companies in turn sell to NSA, etc. maybe even foreign governments for all I know. There's very little regulation of the space iirc.

I had a friend that worked in the space. He lived an exciting life; I hope he's still alive..


I'm surprised that selling knowledge is illegal? Is it really? Maybe it shouldn't be

Ah the classic programmer mistake when encountering the legal system of thinking ‘but surely this act, in and of itself, could not be considered illegal?’ When what the law criminalizes are not mere acts but actions carried out with intent and knowledge in a context.

‘Officer, you can’t arrest me for carrying a gold bar!’

‘I can if you are carrying it out of the Federal Reserve vault without permission’

Similarly:

‘Surely selling someone the knowledge that a piece of software can be hacked isn’t illegal?’

‘It is if you know or suspect that that person’s intention is to use that knowledge to commit crimes’

This would make you a ‘coconspirator’ or possibly an ‘accessory before the fact’ in any crimes they committed.


Ask Stephen Huntley Watt.

That's one of the points, yes, but the black market doesn't dictate the value of the exploit to Google.

A hardline bargaining position with Google would be more like "pay me what I want, or else I'll give it to all takers on the black market for maximum damage". That would be unethical and probably illegal to boot but it's a better definition of value than "1$ greater than max bid".


The value to Google - sure. But the market value of the exploit itself - the black market I think is a factor in that regardless of what Google offers.

The value of something is dictated by what _the market_ offers, and just because Google throws a lowball price because _they_ don't value it doesn't necessarily mean that the value of the exploit itself is as low as they dictate.

There will always be someone who would screw Google just for the love of the game, and if they got a better price from elsewhere, I don't see why _morality_ would really play that big of a role. It all comes down to incentives, and if Google doesn't incentivize doing the good thing enough, then someone _will_ incentivize them to do the bad thing just a bit more.


Your conflating capitalism with markets.

Markets are fundamental things and exist regardless of any kind of moral "should". Otherwise we wouldn't have people buying hard drugs or trafficing women.


If we abandon the moral "should", then the right move is to shake down Google along the lines I already said.

Google should, as a rational actor, pay out better for legitimate vulnerabilities that pose actual risk to them to avoid such a situation.

My beef here is that morality and ethics are only assigned to the researchers.


So what does that have to do with capitalism?

For qwen, it's an additional transformer layer at the very back, it ships as part of the model.

I find mtp=3 does well with that model, only at 4 it becomes unprofitable.

Check your quants, its worth having the mtp layer be a bigger quant if it leads to 2x throughput from more accepted tokens.


Google isn't a branch of the government, they can call the lake whatever they want.

It's a decision to comply that quickly and cravenly, presumably because Trump is vindictive, why die on this hill.


> why die on this hill

Because when the orange one is gone, people will remember what a supremely supine bastard you were, and now you're no longer protected, will punish you hard.


It feels good to model the future that way, but seems incredibly unlikely there will be consequences for those people.

Yeah, well, Google under Sundar hasn't exactly been full of bold stances.

Sundar is baby sitting Larry and Sergey's money.

My concern is that the orange one and his tribe may never leave at this point. The voters seem totally immune to reflection and the party has accumulated so much power, festered so much rot, and replaced so many government officials it feels like no election will ever be fair again. Even if one is, the pendulum will just swing right back to them the next election.

And SCOTUS is compromised. They're letting them redistrict based on political party to dilute opposition. They're allowing Trump to politicize the post office to potentially delay mail in ballots so they won't be counted. They're allowing Republicans to mass revoke voter registrations and sell that data.

And now ICE, Trump's personal, unaccountable Gestapo in training, is getting access to voter roles. What will they possibly use that for if not to influence the voting process?

It's a good thing SCOTUS ruled that POTUS is entirely immune to all consequences and can pardon himself. I'm sure that won't empower a coup.


When it’s renamed back they will likely rename it just as quickly again. Their job is to provide a map with the correct names based on whatever governments name places… not to make passive aggressive political statements of omission.

Well no, it's not. Their job is to provide a useful map. Maps which name things as most people call them are accurate and useful.

Maps which rename things for political causes are not useful to the users of the maps. In the same way, newspapers which report what governments tell them to report, rather than reporting what is true, are not useful to their readers. Readers don't want propaganda rags, especially if they know they're wrong.

Don't get me wrong, most countries have a way that involves their own citizens in naming processes, and a renaming can happen if enough people in the area think the name has to change. That then feeds into gazetteers, GIS and so on. But don't confuse "government facilitates agreement among citizens to change their place names", which it does, with "government has the authority to tell people what something's called", which it doesn't.

You sound like a bootlicker, so tell me, what would happen if the orange one dictated that the state of New York is now "Shitty McShitland"? Will you be calling it that? Should people who live there call it that? If the orange one dictates your name is now "Shitty McShitface", will you call yourself that?


If people have largely forgotten or forgiven Nazi sympathizing companies, what makes you think they’ll remember and boycott companies who renamed a map?

When he's gone we can just undo it as easily as he did it. And tear down all of his other tributes to himself.

If we don't want idiots to do idiotic things we probably shouldn't make it possible/legal in the first place. But the corruption and malfeasance goes way beyond Trump so here we are.


What we actually need to do are things like ranked pairs voting, a recall election dynamic for president/congress/judges, constitutional amendment to enshrine splitting executive power into agencies with heads elected separately from the president, get rid of the electoral college, take out the supplicating trash from the Supreme Council, criminal trials and unjust enrichment clawbacks, and so on. The whole point of the names are to be stupid petty distractions, don't let yourself be distracted.

Are you sure about that? People mildly criticised Charlie Kirk after his death and lost their jobs, there's a whole outrage over renaming streets and tearing down monuments to confederates and racists. Those same people are going to be predictably upset by any attempt to undo the man's "legacy" once he kicks the bucket.

Trump is irrelevant. What really matters was done by Project 2025, that will not be undone anytime soon, that is if democrats can even gain federal power again due to election interference or whatever they will do with ICE if they lose an election again.

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