Well you see we need to migrate system A to B and X to Y and here's another new integration to look at and we need to finally get off of this EOL distro and... It'll never stop.

I just typed 233 words into Pangram, I'm trying to synthesize an idea from Aristotle to an experience I am having at work. It's not an original thought, specifically, but the application to this thing at work does appear to be novel. I'm still trying to work out my thoughts. Anyway it concluded that it's 100% AI. Even with a couple of random typos and missing grammar that I added. Smells like horse shit to me. I also don't like the idea that I have to shove a corpus of text into this thing to get it to process that it's incorrect. That expectation is wrong headed and places the burden on the wrong entity.

We have a tool at work that was entirely spun out of a prototype that itself was entirely driven by a single guy with an unlimited Claude budget. I only touch it on the edges, where I need to integrate it every so slightly into one of my systems. It's a crucial piece of software for the team, though. I've looked over the source, the thing that strikes me the most is the verbosity. Human software engineers would've been much more terse, so the thing has a fucking lot of code that's doing very little. They're trying to deal with that now, while also driving feature requests forward, and from the distance it looks like an unmanageable shit show.

It really depends on the codebase. I remember ~10 years ago trying to learn about some of the big codebases that existed and what struke me was the verbosity. I don't remember if it was a PHP framework or a big JS library, but it was like 20+ lines of comment/explanation for each line of code. I was trying to follow the code flow and it was basically impossible, you could fit like 2-5 lines of actual code per screen.

In all fairness, LLMs try to write the code with all the safeguards imaginable, all exceptions handled and following the SDK/language/framework guidelines.

So a lot of this verbosity is good, even if we aren't used to it, because almost no one writes their code so exhaustively.

I sometimes wonder if the verbosity gives the LLM more “margin for error” when generating text that passes requirements.

It's simpler. The verbosity, the line of code count, is what has gotten people excited about it. So everyone optimizes for verbosity.

This does not strike me as true at all. Nobody's crowing about the verbosity of their AI-generated code. Rather, it seems to me they're impressed by the functionality or capabilities relative to time/cost.

10 lines of checks per line of actual execution. Anxiety for their stable pay

Of course. Those 10 lines of extra code is that much more tokens every time your agents read and use that section of code. The more blot in the project to more tokens your agents will burn.

Reminds me of a subcontracting agency

I see it on my Pixel with the Gemini app.

I have the same experience. I'm 45 now, still can't visualize in my mind (and I have weak dream recall). I think there are categories here. Some people are really gifted and can visualize anything on-demand and interact with those visualizations in very interesting ways. That blows my mind, seriously. My wife is like this. Other people exist in a gradient between people like us with no visualization and the people who have absolute control. Those people can sort of acquire and train the skill and over time will improve, mostly organically, too, I think. Those people will tell people like us that we are not trying hard enough. If only we would tried harder, we, too, could acquire and develop this skill. But as you know, people like us cannot simply acquire or develop this skill. We are missing some prerequisite.

I haven't seen it anywhere else. I was on Reddit before I came to HN this morning.

Fair. My anxiety is my own thing, and shouldn’t be projected onto everyone; at the same time, “get stuffed” just set me off.

A billionaire discovers society exists.

> Technology is the active human interface with the material world.

It's also the exact interface that wealth allows you to bypass.

I've seen some weird behavior with it, as well. But I'm fine with it. I visit a single subreddit now and if they destroy the UX I'll only be happier for leaving.

They blocked old.reddit.com unless you are logged in on Monday. I don't have an account on there anymore so that effectively blocks me from the entire platform. Oh well.

I was using old.reddit.com on my pocket supercomputer (not logged in) on Tuesday.

I am using it right now and it still works for me. I guess it's a rollout. Someone mentioned cookies, maybe it will stop working when they expire, I am not willing to clean them to find out.

Try clearing your cookies.

Diablo also unionized and there's some representation in non-game teams like Battle.net. But I also know (I'm in games and in OC myself, loads of friends at local studios from SD, to OC, and LA counties) that they had a demonstration last Thursday, at 2PM Pacific Time they walked out. They claim that leadership is not negotiating in good faith.

I wonder if that's why we got a diablo 2 expansion 25 years after the fact. Can't easily terminate the union employees, so give them something to do. "Here, create a new expansion to a 25 year old game. That'll keep em busy for a while! Har Har Har"

Diablo is blizzard.

The comment I replied to stated that only WoW and Overwatch had unionized. Every game team has unionized at Blizzard, along with some of the support teams.

I started doing this in the mid-2010s, too. Used to grab throwaway hardware from a former employer and piece whatever still worked together. I've since moved on to a different employer. How do you procure throwaway hardware?