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I started one 15 years ago in Silicon Valley. Just what this article calls a hangout.


Employee compensation comes from capital. And employees are working at companies that provide robots, etc.

There's a return on capital than is not spent on employees. That reflects how much capital is growing and how much can be spent on employees in the future.


>And employees are working at companies that provide robots, etc.

Just as are the top executives. And the shareholders that have put money into companies that provide "robots, etc.". All these people, including labor, are stakeholders. If there was 5% GDP growth that got reflected as 5% growth in net earnings for the company, one would expect that all the stakeholders would see roughly a 5% increase in their personal earnings from the company. The dollar amount would be higher for higher earners (5% of $1M is greater than 5% of $50k), but the percentage increase would be roughly in line. The real world results are not even close to this "rising tide lifts all boats" ideal.


They didn't make the rising tide analogy, I read it as how much could be captured by labor if we increased leverage.

In any case, it doesn't follow that wages grow with earnings. Wages have historically been a lagging indicator.


>They didn't make the rising tide analogy, I read it as how much could be captured by labor if we increased leverage.

Fair point, though it's not completely clear from the comment.

>Wages have historically been a lagging indicator.

Of course, companies don't know in advance that they're going to have GDP-assisted growth. My point was that growth on the back of GDP growth is a collective windfall, and you'd expect it to be evenly distributed. But it clearly isn't.


> Employee compensation comes from capital.

All human collective endeavors (with few exceptions) require 3 kinds of human-related input: capital, labor and ideas.

Nobody puts their capital into an endeavor in which the plan is for the that capital to provide renumeration for the labor for more than the shortest possible time (*). The goal is always to generate revenue in sufficient volume to pay for the labor, and when that goal is met, that success is a function of all 3 kinds of contribution.

So no, employee compensation does not come from capital, but from revenue that results from the successful interaction of capital, labor and ideas.

(*) non-profits would be an obvious exception, except that nobody actually talks about investing capital in such organizations, we just make "donations" or "grants". That money plays the same role as capital, however.


Maybe it should be possible for a parent to set a child age in a device.

Everyone else can stay anonymous.

I look forward to hearing why that won't work and what problems it will cause.


How does the parent prove they are the parent. All you need is to think about the next step, come on now.


…upon device purchase? Very obviously?


How someone proves parentage of a given child upon device purchase is far from obvious.


The verification is not done per device but per usage session.


Why are you telling someone else how their hypothetical implementation works?


There's no hypothetical, they tried to equate this to basically buying a gun where you do the certification on purchase. Internet connected devices are not planned to be controlled like that but per session. Under that model what they proposed is obviously not going to work.


Comment 1: “maybe it should be this way”

Comment 2: “it can’t be that way because of this”

Comment 3: “but it can, because it could maybe be this way”

You: “There was no hypothetical”

Oh my god the comments are getting so stupid. Please, I beg you to stop.


They are indeed


Oh nice save!


The existing California law that passed a few months ago makes it per user account


This is incorrect, and you have failed to read my mind on how it works. Extremely weird attempt, but I applaud the bravado anyways.


Parental controls. Client-side blocking of content. Apple's parental controls are so good that parents give young children unsupervised internet access--the entire generation if iPad babies. Current iPads even use on-device AI to detect nudity in photos and prevent them from being taken, sent, recieved, or viewed.


You're describing California AB1043 which passed a few months ago and is now the law in California. We all got very angry about it when it passed.


If the server can trust the device, then you don't need the parent, you can use a digital-enabled id card or passport.

This is in fact the EU age verification app

https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/european-ag...

The concern here is the trust in the device appears to be tied to proprietary os/device vendors.


Just because intelligence evolved in people that find rights useful doesn't mean intelligence can only reside in a person.

Living things are driven by a need to reproduce. That's the only reason we exist. The only reason we have self interest.

A machine doesn't require self interest. There's no reason to implement it, except to show it can be done. And of course it can. There's just no practical reason to. It becomes less useful to us.


That is actually a open problem with current models: whether they will act on self-interest or not. There seems to good evidence that they will. See:

    https://www.anthropic.com/research/agentic-misalignment
which (among other things) documents an experiment in which a current-gen AI model attempted to blackmail someone in order to prevent it from being turned off.


Anthropic is not a disinterested party here, and until their experiments can be replicated from an adversarial standpoint by people without a vested interest in hyping up the tech (i.e. one assuming the null hypothesis), I wouldn't consider them to be "good evidence".


https://arxiv.org/html/2510.05179v1

16 frontier models from multiple vendors all showing significant "alignment" issues, and tendencies to act "unethically" when threatened with shutdown.

Other models that resorted to blackmail in an attempt to avoid getting shut down: DeepSeek-R1 (79% of the time), Gemini-2.5-Pro (95% of the time), GPT-4.1 (80% of the time), Grok-3-beta (80% of the time).

There's quite a large chunk of emerging literature studying the "alignment problem" at this point, and no shortage papers that are are completely untained by Anthropic self interest (a series of papers studying the "alignment" problem coming out of Chinese universities, for example).


Of course it isn't. What it knows is many weeks old, except for what you tell it. Then it forgets everything you told it.

And it's just a model. It can have many exact copies. It has no life of its own. It doesn't know anything about where it is. It doesn't have sensory organs.

Your phone isn't alive either.


so only do things that yield results fast.


Glad to see a country be less foolish.


The more government controls, the more checks and balances evolve into paychecks and hidden bank balances.

Government can do a lot of things to you when it controls a lot of things.

And what government is doing is harder to see when it's doing millions of things.


a functioning government isn't the problem, but a government selling out to corporations is


I think individuals have the right to hide from government bot swarms.


Extremely disingenuous comment. Everyone knows bot swarms on social media are on the output side, while you are leaning on science fiction tropes.


I can solve a problem in 10% of the time. Dealing with an issue TODAY, instead of having to put it in the backlog.


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