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As someone who used to work at a nursery that sold a lot of mulch, sod, etc, there are a lot of things that a typical single family homeowner would want that you absolutely wouldn’t want to transport in an SUV or minivan (which is all that is really worth talking about because pretty much no individual owns the type of delivery vehicle you’re talking about, which are meant for transporting packages anyways).

People would have me load this stuff for them into SUVs of course, and we would do our best to line them with plastic first, but it still made an awful mess everywhere.

And that’s not even getting into towing, there are common things having a truck bed is just better for.

As for the tallness, you can partly blame EPA regulations for that as it’s more cost effective for manufacturers to make trucks taller and wider than more fuel efficient. That’s the #1 reason why the small truck market declined and why smaller trucks got bigger



> As someone who used to work at a nursery that sold a lot of mulch, sod, etc, there are a lot of things that a typical single family homeowner would want that you absolutely wouldn’t want to transport in an SUV or minivan

People should do what is generally done here in Northern Europe. Get a Stationwagon/Estate with a tow hitch and a trailer. With that you get a smaller, more practical, car in terms of day-to-day driving. And when you really need to move something bigger/something you don't want inside your car you still have options.

Renting a trailer locally is incredibly cheap too, costing just $26 at a nationwide gas station. IKEA, and similar local stores, will lend you a trailer for free.

Here's how two friends and I transport our gokarts. One in the trailer, another secured on top. The car on the day of the picture is a Mercedes CLA Coupé. Other times it's the other friend's Ford Fiesta. And yet other times it's one of our dads driving an Audi Q5 or a Peugeot 3008.

https://imgur.com/jOoEzuS

A hitch gives you the price and size advantages of e.g. a Ford Fiesta while still having the option of hauling several hundred kilos worth of stuff. The Q5 can haul a ton and a half. I'd wager that very few people regularly (weekly) need to haul several tons worth of stuff, and the few that do have a legitimate reason for owning a pickup.


In principle, the small trailer with a small car plan is great. It doesn't really work in the U.S. though. There is some combination of towing practices and regulations that make this not work here.

In the past few decades, we've seen many cars here go from having some decent tow rating to a very low tow rating or saying in the manual not to tow.

Just for example, the Mazda 3 in Australia has a tow rating of 1200kg. In the UK it's 1500kg. In the U.S., towing is not allowed at all per the owner's manual.

I'm not sure what all the reasons for this discrepancy is. I know when I lived in Germany where towing fairly big things with fairly small cars was more common, I noticed some differences in towing practices:

1. They use a different style of hitch that flips down under the bumper instead of the receiver style hitch in the U.S. The German style hitch kept the ball closer to the bumper, which improves stability.

2. The trailer is loaded with a fairly balanced weight distribution so that there is not much weight on the tongue of the trailer. This keeps the rear suspension of the car from being compressed and keeps weight on the front wheels of the car. It has the downside of making the trailer less stable at higher speeds.

3. Presumably because of this lower stability, many trailer/car/driver combinations are limited to 80kph. Car/trailer combinations tend to have a critical speed where they become unstable if the weight from the trailer is not loaded in the front, and 80kph is a typical speed where this can start to happen.

4. Germany requires extra licensing to tow a trailer. Someone who actually gets some training and has to pass a test is going to be a lot safer towing than someone who got 5 minutes of instruction at U-Haul.


"HN-class" Americans refuse to tow stuff with cars because social media tropes have convinced them that it's massively dangerous, easy to screw up and that they will be a danger to society.


I had a trailer for my Dodge Avenger. I have a truck now. Believe it or not, as a person who had periodic need for a trailer, it's easier to be a person with periodic need of a truck bed.


Having lived next to a boat launching area, I can tell you an average inexperienced driver is pretty likely to make an expensive mistake with a trailer.

I have seen a lot of trailers reversed into expensive cars, flooded cars, trailers falling off and hitting things at speed, cars driving into the sea because the driver got out to check the trailer, etc.

A lot could be fixed with better software and sensors. For example a car should be able to measure the angle of the trailer and apply the brakes when someone tries to reverse-jackknife. It should measure oscillation frequencies and damping factors at highway speeds and set a safe max speed. It should refuse to start the engine at all if a trailer isn't correctly hooked up including electricals and brake lines, etc. Finally, trailer brakes need an overheat/wearout sensor so the driver is aware if their trailer brakes have failed before they find out when going down a hill at 70 mph.


> Having lived next to a boat launching area, I can tell you an average inexperienced driver is pretty likely to make an expensive mistake with a trailer.

As a kid we would sit down at our neighborhood landing in the summer and watch boat launches for entertainment. I saw at least 2 cars get submerged, people run into each other, many many fist fights. Prior to allowing me to pull our trailer, my dad made me back up (with trailer attached) in circles and figure 8s in a parking lot and then in and out of the driveway many times. Showing up to busy landing on summer holiday is NOT the time to learn how to back down a trailer.


In most of Europe you now need a special extra driving test to be allowed to tow any reasonable trailer.

It effectively means trailers are now only for professionals.


That only works if you've got good roads that get snow-plowed regularly in winter.

F.ex. where I live a Hilux or a Landcruiser is a must.


You can tow stuff with a Hilux or a Landcruiser too.


Well, yes. But in case of a Hilux or an L200 you often don't need to.

What I wanted to say is that a 'station wagon' is useless for half a year in some climates. And it doesn't make any sense to keep two cars, one for 'summer' and one for the 'rest of the seasons'.


I drive my rear wheel drive Camaro year round in Minnesota.

The best vehicle I’ve ever driven in the snow was a tiny 2001 Mercury Cougar. Snow tires make a world of difference.


I owned a 1970s vintage Camaro in Ithaca NY of all places. (For those who don't know, think hills and snow.) No snow tires--poorish student. I used to say it tended to skid with a forecast of snow.


I'm not at all saying that trucks aren't useful, or that they aren't the best vehicle for a lot of people and/or tasks. I'm saying that the trend right now is for trucks that are way taller than they need to be purely because the buyer prefers that look. I had zero issues with pickup trucks 10 years ago, before they turned into a political/biological/emotional statement piece, instead of a tool.


The trend for growing truck is mostly due to EPA fleet fuel efficiency regulations. If you make a small truck, it gets classified as a car, so it counts for car fleet efficiency. That’s also why you see decline in sedans and rise in relatively small crossovers SUVs: these also count as light trucks, not cars, for fuel efficiency purposes.


It's also the "footprint" model of fuel economy for CAFE. The required MPG for a truck is based on the area of the rectangle made by the wheels. This means that for 2021, a larger F-150 is expected to get 25mpg, but something like the old Chevy S-10 would be expected to get 41.8mpg. [1]

The automakers have determined that this is not practically achievable, and so you can't buy a truck like the old S-10 or a pre-Tacoma Toyota pickup anymore.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy...


This is why problems should be tackled directly. There was no reason to force vehicle manufacturers to meet arbitrary efficiency standards.

If the goal was to reduce fossil fuel consumption, then fossil fuels should have been slapped with a huge tax.

Immediately the automakers would have been incentivized to produce more efficient vehicles.

Of course, it’s politically impossible to do the right thing due to the general public wanting to have their cake and eat it too.


It's more that people prioritize incentives for objective "A" and are totally surprised when it comes at some cost to "lesser" objective "B." In this case, being "environmentally friendly" vs being "safe."

I think a lot of "environmentally conscious" people don't realize that more and more of these types of environmental regulations will come at some direct cost in terms human-safety.

And also that a surprising number of politicians/activists/people are so committed to the dogma that they don't have any problem with that.


Higher, larger pickup trucks did not come about as a result of safety requirements, they came about from fuel efficiency requirements (or needing to get around them).

So net result of indirect regulations to decrease fuel consumption is increased fuel consumption, and more dangerous vehicles for everyone to contend with who is not inside as large of a vehicle.

Simply making people pay more for fuel would have incentivized them to prioritize what kind of vehicle to buy, and make it possible for smaller pickups to still exist and/or a rental market for pickups to flourish.


Believe me, the market would prefer the older, smaller, steel framed trucks than the newer aluminum ones. But they're no longer an option, new.

EPA regulation and govt overreach/ unintended consequences are what led to these design changes, not market demand.

The blue-book price for my 12 year old steel-framed truck has gone up every year since I bought it used.

>before they turned into a political/biological/emotional statement piece

The anti-truck crowd, which supported all the regulations that led to the current state of vehicle design, are the ones that made this a political/emotional issue, whether they realize it or not.


I'm new to trucks and Ford always acts like their aluminum frame is superior to a steel one. Can you share details on the differences?


Ford trucks still have steel frames. Only the body (sheet metal) is aluminum.


I don’t think this is really the primary reason for this at all. There’s an element of that of course, but there’s other factors as well. This is a decent short article about it. But the tl;dr is popularity of crew cabs + a gap in recent regulations that encouraged trucks to become larger https://www.insidehook.com/article/vehicles/why-pickup-truck...


This is what I got from that article:

>In other words, the regulations put in place to get better mileage out of vehicles also led to an increase in truck size. “There was kind of an incentive to maybe stretch the wheelbase a couple of inches and set the tires maybe an inch [farther] apart, because you get a bigger platform and slightly smaller target,” said Edmunds. “Now, the bigger vehicle would be heavier and might use more fuel, so it’s not as easy as just doing that. But certainly there was a feeling that if they did need to make it bigger to accommodate more passengers, the fuel economy target wouldn’t be onerous. They could do it.”

That statement is not very convincing that the regulations lead to bigger trucks.


Good point.

It's also super easy in these situations at a nursery, etc.. that the car or SUV owner has to make multiple trips and waste tons of gas because the vehicle can't hold much.

People who don't own homes too easily forget it's really really common to have jobs around your house/yard where you're dealing with thousands of pounds of supplies.

You can overload an SUV/Wagon/whatever incredibly quickly with sand, mulch, rock, etc.. and it will be nowhere near full.


I find it ironic that you bring up fuel spent for what is a one-time inconvenience when pickup trucks are some of the most inefficient vehicles out there. A regular pickup will do about 14 l / 100 km. A modest ford focus will easily do 5 l / 100 km on the highway.


A bicycle would get you 0 l/100km.


Of course many home improvement stores will just rent you a truck for the afternoon. That’s the principle reason I see against owning a truck for a homeowner. Just rent the right tool for the odd job(s). It’s poor optimization otherwise.


It's cheaper to borrow it from your truck-owning friend.


>blame EPA regulations

To elaborate, since I've even had to explain this to some "eco-conscious" engineers:

This is also partially why trucks have gone from steel to aluminum, which is lighter (to gain a marginal increase in mpg), but also requires larger shapes (moment-arms) to achieve the same amount of strength and resilience (crumple zone rigidity & required crumple zone size, etc).

Of course the other side effect is that using aluminum frames/engines won't last as long, since they deform easier, so all that saved energy from increased mpg doesn't make up for the wasted embedded energy from decreased useful lifespan.


My mom was an avid gardener and regularly moved mulch and manure in her station wagon. We cleaned it out afterwards and it smelled musty for about a week afterwards. It was usually in the spring though, so we just drove with the windows down if it wasn't raining.


As much as I think a body-on-frame truck is way more practical, some of what you're describing is really a matter of attitude. As far as I'm concerned, dirt, scrape marks, etc. in my SUV is just a sign that I'm making good use of it.


It's pretty easy to cleanly haul stuff with a suv. You throw a nice, thick blue tarp in the back, load your stuff, boom. Job done. Bonus, it makes unloading easier too.




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