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I can name some terrible software, but it wouldn't be Apple's.


macOS and iOS 26 are quite bad.


Really wanna discuss the current windows debacles? Come on! Apple software regressed but it’s not outright hostile bad still.


That's an extremely low bar, Windows has been shit for a long time and has basically only degraded. Some people think Windows 10 was good, it wasn't, they just haven't used Windows for long enough.

Apple software isn't bad, but it is often obtuse and buggy. And, with iOS 26, usability has taken a big hit.


at least you can still decide on the software you install


How do you not install all the ads?


Give the competitors a try...


On macOS when I alt-tab to a full-screen app it takes forever. On KDE when I alt-tab to a full-screen app it's instantaneous.

On macOS when I connect or disconnect an external monitor, my applications get all confused on where they should display, especially if I then reconnect a monitor. On KDE when I unplug my monitor everything goes nicely onto one desktop. When I put a monitor back in, everything goes back to where it was before. It just works.

On macOS, every time I install a new program I need to do some dance with System preferences to allow it to run. I tried some command line settings that supposedly disables this, but it never sticks. Every few months, the process is different than it was before. On KDE, I just run my software and it works.

On macOS, I don't have useful window snapping behavior or full-screen behavior, nor am I able to have focus follow my mouse. On KDE, I have these.

macOS just doesn't work for me. But the competitors have a good solution.


I've used Linux over the years. But a niche desktop environment being better in some very specific use cases isn't much of an argument.


Why not? People choose their tools by criteria that matter to their use cases. For some, alt-tab behavior doesn't matter. For others it's a primary pain point.

Computing should be personal. Some people like to mold their tools to their way of working. Others adapt their way of working to their tools. KDE is for the former, and macOS is for the latter.

Why would someone else use my criteria? They should use their own criteria? I certainly am not going to use your "it's niche so it can't be useful" criteria as it's important to my usage.


what is bad for you? was you at linux or windows - may be apple is best of all bad?


XCode, Apple Music, Siri, Apple Maps, The App Store, Finder, Safari, Spotlight, iCloud...

I'd need another hand to fully count all the Apple apps that have burned me in the past.


It’s so sad. Circa 2003 OS X wasn’t just good it was amazing. Nearly Movie OS quality. Every release the quality goes down. Every migration to SwiftUI more and more AppKit standard feature get lost.


In 2003 it was a dog’s dinner. I remember getting kernel panics from pulling out an already ejected USB stick.


Guess what people were saying in 2003…


2003 OS X sucked.


Sucked compared to what? My OS X life began shortly before Panther, and coming from a Linux laptop everything was better. Compared to Windows XP, everything in Panther was better. Panther on a 1GHz TiBook was amazing compared to anything else at the time.


Can we add Photos to that list? Can we add it twice cause it is that bad.


Books can go on it too. No matter the free storage space on my iPad, it relentlessly nerfs stuff to iCloud rendering its utility on long aeroplane journeys completely worthless.


I'll add it once, we need a donor hand to tally the iOS and WatchOS versions.




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